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- Peck - (#22589)
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13-Feb-2008 19:32:43 Quality: 0.

 Quote: DocOzone (#28413) wrote:
 Quote: Kama (#1) wrote:
RULES:
1. The points are awarded according to level and ranking. This means that number 1 of level 2 is ranked right after number 50 of level 1 (Suspended countries excluded).

I'm still not ready to let this point go. The Level 2 server is going to be a *very* competitve server - perhaps even more so than Level 1. I've played other games with a tourney approach, notably the old Earth2025 servers. The "A" server there has become a very conservative place - the hungriest folks are taking big chances in the "B" servers.

I still believe that winning on the #2 server should be worth more points than playing a crappy game in the Level 1 server. The last place finisher in Level 1 should have already been rewarded for his great play *last* month - the month that got him to Level 1 in the first place. The way the rules appear above are stating that the last place finisher on Level 1 played a better game than the 1st place finisher on Level 2, and that's just wrong.

Doesn't anyone even want to discuss this point? I'd love to hear a reasoned argument that would convince me otherwise on this matter, but I have not.

Your pal, -doc-

A fair point, but this is a very shortterm way to look at things.

Sure, the guy who got 50th in Lvl1 will get more points, BUT he will also be in lvl 3 next round, and thus won't get very many points at all, whereas the high rankers in lvl2 will be garenteed high points the following round,... so on the larger scale of things, I reckon it's fine

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iRRaTioNaL Z (#59)
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14-Feb-2008 17:17:38 Quality: 0.

 Quote: Keestas (#12586) wrote:

and Kama, BUG, i didnt see when i'm online... ;)


Yeah! Please fix that, because if I had known a certain country was online last night I would have DS'd him a lot more in a lot shorter timeframe... which would maybe have made it possible for me to play my last 150 turns :S


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Weber-Wetiwed (#163)
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14-Feb-2008 20:10:43 Quality: 0.

And I gotta see when people are online so I know when they got PO's out.

I love netgainers in fight sending PO's out all the time

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DocOzone (#28413)
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14-Feb-2008 23:59:57 Quality: 0.

 Quote: Kama (#1) wrote:
RULES:
1. The points are awarded according to level and ranking. This means that number 1 of level 2 is ranked right after number 50 of level 1 (Suspended countries excluded).

 Quote: DocOzone (#28413) wrote:
I still believe that winning on the #2 server should be worth more points than playing a crappy game in the Level 1 server. The last place finisher in Level 1 should have already been rewarded for his great play *last* month - the month that got him to Level 1 in the first place. The way the rules appear above are stating that the last place finisher on Level 1 played a better game than the 1st place finisher on Level 2, and that's just wrong.

 Quote: - Peck - (#22589) wrote:
A fair point, but this is a very shortterm way to look at things.

Yah, on the *larger* scale maybe things will all work out, kind of. It's the whole notion of "free points this round" that bugs me. Global points should be awarded for global performance; performance for what you're *doing*, not for what you've *done*. If, in the month of March, you play a better game than someone else you should be rewarded at the end of that round, not at the end of April. I'd be willing to begt that a mediocre player could end up consistently in the top 50 just by playing every other month - finish top 10 in Level 3 playing against lower ranked players, and then place 50th in Level 1 the next month. Repeat as needed.

I'm leaning more towards something like Viper7 recommended:

 Quote: VIPer7 (#134) wrote:
I second DocOzones suggestion. Rank 1-20 of level 2 will get into level 1 the next set, so all of them will be rewarded with the free points next round. Still rank 1 had to work a lot harder for this than rank 20, which should somehow be rewarded (and not just the small difference between rank 51 and 70). Maybe give rank 1 of level 2 the same points as rank 21 in level 1, and rank 1 in level 3 the same points as rank 21 in level 2, and so on...
The Lone Outsider (#42)
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15-Feb-2008 02:20:55 Quality: 0.

 Quote: Kama (#1) wrote:

From ->
To:
Level 1Level 2Level 3Level 4
Level 11-201-201-10-
Level 221-4021-4011-351-10
Level 341-5041-6536-6011-50
Level 4-66-7561-100All Others
Total:5075100Rest


Doc, it wouldn't quite happen that way, as there are 75 players in level 2, not 50. And, 100 in level 3.

The disturbing thing is, it says the "rest" go into level 4.

I dont see level 0 listed there, which is where I was last round (admittedly, I joined with about 5 days to play) but I am also in level 0 this round.....

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The Lone Outsider (#42)
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15-Feb-2008 02:34:42 Quality: 0.

Also, I don't think you should get any points if you happen to be demoted 2 levels. In otherwords, even if you are in group 1, if you finish 40 to 50, you should not be getting any points at all, because otherwise, you are getting them simply for creating the country.

It may have been mentioned, but, keep the points scale based on the promotion/demotion scale.

Group 1, top 20 get top 20 finish points.
Group 2, top 20 get 21 to 40 finish points.
Group 3, Top 10 get 41 to 50 finish points.
Group 1, 21st to 40th get 51 to 60 finish points
Group 2, 21st to 40th get 61 to 80 finish points.
Group 3 11th to 35th get 81st to 115 finish points
Group 4 top 10 get 116 to 125 finish points.

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DocOzone (#28413)
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16-Feb-2008 10:51:47 Quality: 0.

That's what I've been hoping to see! I love that point spread, simple and easy to understand, it can also easily be expanded to handle additional levels if needed.
[RETIRED]just Tourney!! (#28762)
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16-Feb-2008 12:23:52 Quality: 0.


finnaly i got it..thanks bro!

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Weber-Wetiwed (#163)
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19-Feb-2008 21:21:41 Quality: 0.

I think if you manage to get into Level 1 you should get points for just creating a country because the next set you are going to level 3 anyway. It's basically saying if you take a break from the game for 1 month, you are screwed for global points for at least 2 months.

You are all arguing you are getting points for the round before, that method you would not be getting points based of the round before, pretty hypocrital if you ask me.

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The Lone Outsider (#42)
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19-Feb-2008 22:26:39 Quality: 0.

Weber, If you look at my table of points, you will find that it rewards you much more for winning level 2 and level 3 than the current suggestions does.

At the moment, Kama has level one getting the top 50 places. Level 2 getting 51 to 125 and level 3 126 to 226

With Kamas way, you really do have to reward everyone in level 1, because the the level 2 prize is lower.

But, if you increase the level 2 prize, you no longer need to reward the bottom of level 1.

And, as for taking a 1 month break and being punished by going back 3 levels, so you then need the points... BAH

Mediocrity should never be rewarded.

Ok, so, you are in level 1. you finish 50th. you get points based on 50th overall position.

You drop down to level 3
You fiinish 10th. You get 185th points for finishing tenth and get promoted back up to level 1.


Thats a 50th position and a 185th position under Kamas point system


My system.
You finish 50th in level 1, you get nothing, drop to level 3 and finish 10th and get points for 50th place finish.

Now, my system rewards points down to 125 places (excluding bonuses)

Kamas system would be rewarding places down to at least 185, most likely 200+

Your 50th points and 185th points in a point system of 200 places over a 1000 point spread will not be as valuable as the 50th point reward for a single 50th place in a 125 point spread.

Also, considering your 50th placing was due to you only creating a country and not playing any turns, why should it be rewarded?
Afterall, my point layout already rewarded you better for graduating from either level than Kamas points will.

If you win level 2 with Kama, you get 51st points. Finish last in the next round and you get 50th place
Win with mine and you get 21st.

I may be crazy, but I am sure under the old point system you got more for finishing 21st than you did for finishing 50th and 51st combined.......

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